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many in the utility industry, the coal and the fossil fuel industries and the auto industry that are still fighting this change. We are working toward the goal of passing the most important energy bill in a generation.

WL: Do you think passage by Congress of a strong energy security bill will be sufficient?
Does this really get to the level of change needed to deal with global warming? Many scientists are arguing that we need to reduce emissions by 80 percent by 2050 in order to really tackle this issue.

EM: If we can pass a strong energy bill and a strong mandatory cap to trade, then we will meet the goal of an 80 percent reduction in greenhouse gases by 2050. Speaker Pelosi has publicly stated that to be her goal and to be the goal of a Democratic congress. The question is this: would President Bush sign legislation with that as its goal?

WL: Why are some automakers against the increased fuel efficiency standards in the Senate bill? For example, is it true that Toyota – who has generally been extremely forward-thinking – is against it, and do you know why?

EM:
It’s a mystery. They already meet 35 mpg as a standard in Japan that they would have to meet in the U.S thirteen years from now.
WL: Let’s talk about incentives and disincentives to energy corporations and companies. What kind of subsidies are we currently giving the oil, gas and nuclear industries that we don’t give clean energy? What kinds of market or tax incentives should we be providing?

EM: We do need to change the incentives that exist in our country. My goal is to promote incentives encouraging wind, solar and other renewable energy resources, as well as those fostering the development of cellulosic and technology that can capture the carbon dioxide produced from burning coal. I want to create disincentives for the purchase of “gas guzzlers” and other incentives that take America in the wrong direction.

Adam Smith is spinning in his grave over the fact that he would qualify for tax exemption under some of the very bad tax policies we have in our country. We must make it possible for the new technologies to finally emerge by creating better balanced incentives.

WL:
People like former CIA director James Woolsey and scientists and economists such as Amory Lovins argue that nuclear without tax subsidies is more expensive than many alternative energy sources that are currently available. Is this true?

EM: The nuclear industry is advocating for subsidies. The tax legislation which gives unlimited loan guarantees – often billions of dollars to the nuclear industry – creates a very uneven playing field for wind, solar and other renewable generated options of electricity. If we are going to have a level playing field, we have to ensure that the nuclear industry does not tip the scales in a way that makes it impossible for the future of renewable power to unfold in our country. If they can make it in the marketplace, then they should do just that. But, to a large extent, they have already met their maker in the marketplace. It is now time

to give the incentives to new technologies that will produce the low emission energy of the 21st century.

WL:
Do we need a New Deal for energy and environmental security ?

EM: The young people in America are the green generation. They want a new agenda for their country. They want to embrace the new technologies that will make our country greener. We should be the world leader, not the world lagger, on these issues.

WL: What would it take to get these bills passed?

EM: Congress is a stimulus-response institution. There is nothing more stimulating than millions of Americans calling their congressman. If the American people demand it, Congress will give it to them. Whether or not President Bush will sign legislation is unknowable, but at least we should give him a chance to go down as one of the greatest people who ever lived because he took the initiative to end global warming and to give America a path to energy independence. wl

 

 



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